diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index b66ac75..b501078 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -6,3 +6,4 @@
 /hi48-phonon-gstreamer.png
 /hi64-phonon-gstreamer.png
 /phonon-4.4.3.tar.bz2
+/phonon-4.4.4-20110104.tar.bz2
diff --git a/phonon-4.3.50-gstreamer-fix-seekable-query-failed.patch b/phonon-4.3.50-gstreamer-fix-seekable-query-failed.patch
deleted file mode 100644
index 7ab051c..0000000
--- a/phonon-4.3.50-gstreamer-fix-seekable-query-failed.patch
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,15 +0,0 @@
-diff -Naur phonon-4.3.50.orig/gstreamer/mediaobject.cpp phonon-4.3.50/gstreamer/mediaobject.cpp
---- phonon-4.3.50.orig/gstreamer/mediaobject.cpp    2009-10-11 02:24:30.000000000 +0200
-+++ phonon-4.3.50/gstreamer/mediaobject.cpp 2009-10-11 02:28:25.000000000 +0200
-@@ -852,6 +852,10 @@
-         else
-             m_backend->logMessage("Stream is non-seekable", Backend::Info, this);
-     } else {
-+        if (m_seekable) {
-+            m_seekable = false;
-+            emit seekableChanged(m_seekable);
-+        }
-         m_backend->logMessage("updateSeekable query failed", Backend::Info, this);
-     }
-     gst_query_unref (query);
-
diff --git a/phonon-4.4.3-flac_mimetype.patch b/phonon-4.4.3-flac_mimetype.patch
deleted file mode 100644
index eef6a9f..0000000
--- a/phonon-4.4.3-flac_mimetype.patch
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,15 +0,0 @@
-diff -up phonon-4.4.3/gstreamer/backend.cpp.flac_mimetype phonon-4.4.3/gstreamer/backend.cpp
---- phonon-4.4.3/gstreamer/backend.cpp.flac_mimetype	2010-11-24 12:26:19.000000000 -0600
-+++ phonon-4.4.3/gstreamer/backend.cpp	2010-11-30 07:29:31.005424613 -0600
-@@ -265,6 +265,11 @@ QStringList Backend::availableMimeTypes(
-         if (!availableMimeTypes.contains("audio/ogg")) /* *.oga */
-             availableMimeTypes.append("audio/ogg");
-     }
-+    if (availableMimeTypes.contains("audio/x-flac")) {
-+        if (!availableMimeTypes.contains("audio/flac")) {
-+            availableMimeTypes.append("audio/flac");
-+        }
-+    }
-     availableMimeTypes.sort();
-     return availableMimeTypes;
- }
diff --git a/phonon.spec b/phonon.spec
index 17a2c8d..026e976 100644
--- a/phonon.spec
+++ b/phonon.spec
@@ -1,53 +1,59 @@
 
+%define snap 20110104
+# not worth using much yet
+#define phonon_build_tests -DPHONON_BUILD_TESTS:BOOL=ON
+
+## split -experimental subpkgs
+#define experimental 1
+
 Summary: Multimedia framework api
 Name:    phonon
-Version: 4.4.3
-Release: 2%{?dist}
+Version: 4.4.4
+Release: 0.0.%{snap}%{?dist}
 Group:   System Environment/Libraries
 License: LGPLv2+
 URL:     http://phonon.kde.org/
+%if 0%{?snap}
+Source0: phonon-%{version}-%{snap}.tar.bz2
+%else
 Source0: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/phonon/%{version}/phonon-%{version}.tar.bz2
-#Source0: phonon-%{version}-%{snap}.tar.bz2
+%endif
 Source1: phonon_snapshot.sh
 BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 
-Source10: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/images/artwork/gstreamer-logo.svg
-Source11: hi16-phonon-gstreamer.png
-Source12: hi22-phonon-gstreamer.png
-Source13: hi32-phonon-gstreamer.png
-Source14: hi48-phonon-gstreamer.png
-Source15: hi64-phonon-gstreamer.png
-Source16: hi128-phonon-gstreamer.png
+Patch1: phonon-4.4.4-no_rpath.patch
 
 ## Mandriva/upstreamable patches
-Patch52: phonon-4.3.50-gstreamer-fix-seekable-query-failed.patch
 Patch53: phonon-4.3.50-phonon-allow-stop-empty-source.patch
 
 ## Ubuntu/upstreamable patches
-Patch60: phonon-4.4.3-flac_mimetype.patch
 
 ## Upstream patches
 
 BuildRequires: automoc4 >= 0.9.86
 BuildRequires: cmake >= 2.6.0
 BuildRequires: glib2-devel
-BuildRequires: gstreamer-devel
-BuildRequires: gstreamer-plugins-base-devel
 BuildRequires: kde-filesystem
 BuildRequires: libxcb-devel
 BuildRequires: libxml2-devel
 BuildRequires: pkgconfig
 BuildRequires: qt4-devel >= 4.6.0
-BuildRequires: xine-lib-devel
 BuildRequires: pulseaudio-libs-devel >= 0.9.15
 
 %global pulseaudio_version %(pkg-config --modversion libpulse 2>/dev/null || echo 0.9.15)
 
 Requires: kde-filesystem
-Requires: phonon-backend%{?_isa} => %{version}
+## Beware bootstrapping, have -Requires/+Requires this for step 0, then build at least one backend
+#Requires: phonon-backend%{?_isa} => 4.4
+Provides: phonon-backend%{?_isa} = 4.4
 Requires: pulseaudio-libs%{?_isa} >= %{pulseaudio_version}
 Requires: qt4%{?_isa} >= %{_qt4_version}
 
+%if ! 0%{?experimental}
+#Obsoletes: phonon-experimental < %{version}-%{release}
+Provides:  phonon-experimental = %{version}-%{release}
+%endif
+
 %description
 %{summary}.
 
@@ -57,151 +63,127 @@ Group:   Development/Libraries
 Requires: %{name}%{?_isa} = %{version}-%{release}
 Requires: qt4-devel
 Requires: pkgconfig
+%if ! 0%{?experimental}
+#Obsoletes: phonon-experimental-devel < %{version}-%{release}
+Provides:  phonon-experimental-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+%endif
 %description devel
 %{summary}.
 
-%package backend-xine
-Summary: xine phonon backend
-Group:   Applications/Multimedia
-Requires: %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
-Provides: phonon-backend%{?_isa} = %{version}-%{release}
-%description backend-xine
+%if 0%{?experimental}
+%package experimental
+Summary: Experimental interfaces for %{name}
+Group:   System Environment/Libraries
+Requires: %{name}%{?_isa} = %{version}-%{release}
+%description experimental 
 %{summary}.
 
-%package backend-gstreamer
-Summary: Gstreamer phonon backend
-Group:   Applications/Multimedia
-Epoch:   2
-Requires: %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
-Requires: gstreamer-plugins-good
-Provides: phonon-backend%{?_isa} = %{version}-%{release}
-Obsoletes: %{name}-backend-gst < 4.2.0-4
-Provides:  %{name}-backend-gst = %{version}-%{release}
-%description backend-gstreamer
+%package experimental-devel
+Summary: Developer files for %{name}-experimental
+Group:   System Environment/Libraries
+Requires: %{name}-experimental%{?_isa} = %{version}-%{release}
+Requires: %{name}-devel%{?_isa} = %{version}-%{release}
+%description experimental-devel
 %{summary}.
+Includes experimental and unstable apis.
+%endif
 
 
 %prep
 %setup -q 
 
-%patch52 -p1 -b .gstreamer-fix-seekable-query-failed
+%patch1 -p1 -b .no_rpath
 %patch53 -p1 -b .phonon-allow-stop-empty-source
-%patch60 -p1 -b .flac_mimetype
 
 
 %build
 mkdir -p %{_target_platform}
 pushd %{_target_platform}
 %{cmake} \
-  %{?_cmake_skip_rpath} \
-  -DUSE_INSTALL_PLUGIN=TRUE \
+  %{?phonon_build_tests} \
   ..
 popd
 
-make %{?_smp_mflags} -C %{_target_platform}%{?xine_only:/xine}
+make %{?_smp_mflags} -C %{_target_platform}
 
 
 %install
 rm -rf %{buildroot}
 
-make install/fast DESTDIR=%{buildroot} -C %{_target_platform}%{?xine_only:/xine}
+make install/fast DESTDIR=%{buildroot} -C %{_target_platform}
 
 # symlink for qt/phonon compatibility
 ln -s ../KDE/Phonon %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/phonon/Phonon
 
-# move the oxygen-only phonon-xine icons to hicolor
-mv %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/oxygen \
-   %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor
-
-%if ! 0%{?xine_only}
-# gstreamer icons
-install -D -m 0644 %{SOURCE10} %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/phonon-gstreamer.svg
-install -D -m 0644 %{SOURCE11} %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/phonon-gstreamer.png
-install -D -m 0644 %{SOURCE12} %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/phonon-gstreamer.png
-install -D -m 0644 %{SOURCE13} %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/phonon-gstreamer.png
-install -D -m 0644 %{SOURCE14} %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/phonon-gstreamer.png
-install -D -m 0644 %{SOURCE15} %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/phonon-gstreamer.png
-install -D -m 0644 %{SOURCE16} %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/phonon-gstreamer.png
-%endif
+# own these dirs
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_kde4_libdir}/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_kde4_datadir}/kde4/services/phononbackends/
 
 
 %check
 export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=%{buildroot}%{_datadir}/pkgconfig:%{buildroot}%{_libdir}/pkgconfig
 test "$(pkg-config --modversion phonon)" = "%{version}"
+%if 0%{?phonon_build_tests:1}
+# most of these fail currently (8/10)
+make test -C %{_target_platform} ||:
+%endif
 
 
 %clean
 rm -rf %{buildroot}
 
 
-%if ! 0%{?xine_only}
 %post -p /sbin/ldconfig
 
 %postun -p /sbin/ldconfig
 
-%post backend-gstreamer
-touch --no-create %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
-
-%postun backend-gstreamer
-if [ $1 -eq 0 ] ; then
-  touch --no-create %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
-  gtk-update-icon-cache %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
-fi
+%if 0%{?experimental}
+%post experimental -p /sbin/ldconfig
 
-%posttrans backend-gstreamer
-gtk-update-icon-cache %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
+%postun experimental -p /sbin/ldconfig
 %endif
 
-%post backend-xine
-touch --no-create %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
-
-%postun backend-xine
-if [ $1 -eq 0 ] ; then
-  touch --no-create %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
-  gtk-update-icon-cache %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
-fi
 
-%posttrans backend-xine
-gtk-update-icon-cache %{_kde4_iconsdir}/hicolor &> /dev/null ||:
-
-%if ! 0%{?xine_only}
 %files
 %defattr(-,root,root,-)
 %doc COPYING.LIB
-%{_libdir}/libphonon*.so.4*
+%{_libdir}/libphonon.so.4*
 %{_datadir}/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Phonon.AudioOutput.xml
-# kde4-specific dirs
-%if 0%{?fedora} < 15
-%dir %{_kde4_libdir}/kde4/
-%dir %{_kde4_libdir}/kde4/plugins/
-%endif
 %dir %{_kde4_libdir}/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/
 %dir %{_kde4_datadir}/kde4/services/phononbackends/
 
+%if 0%{?experimental}
+%files experimental
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%endif
+%{_libdir}/libphononexperimental.so.4*
+
 %files devel
 %defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%{_datadir}/phonon-buildsystem/
 %dir %{_includedir}/KDE
 %{_includedir}/KDE/Phonon/
 %{_includedir}/phonon/
 %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/phonon.pc
-%{_libdir}/libphonon*.so
+%{_libdir}/libphonon.so
 %{_qt4_datadir}/mkspecs/modules/qt_phonon.pri
 
-%files backend-gstreamer
+%if 0%{?experimental}
+%exclude %{_includedir}/KDE/Phonon/Experimental/
+%exclude %{_includedir}/phonon/experimental/
+%files experimental-devel
 %defattr(-,root,root,-)
-%{_kde4_libdir}/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so
-%{_kde4_datadir}/kde4/services/phononbackends/gstreamer.desktop
-%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/*/apps/phonon-gstreamer.*
 %endif
-
-%files backend-xine
-%defattr(-,root,root,-)
-%{_kde4_libdir}/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_xine.so
-%{_kde4_datadir}/kde4/services/phononbackends/xine.desktop
-%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/*/apps/phonon-xine.*
+%{_includedir}/KDE/Phonon/Experimental/
+%{_includedir}/phonon/experimental/
+%{_libdir}/libphononexperimental.so
 
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jan 05 2011 Rex Dieter <rdieter@fedoraproject.org> - 4.4.4-0.0.20110104
+- phonon-4.4.4 snapshot (sans backends)
+- bootstrap without Requires: phonon-backend
+
 * Tue Nov 30 2010 Rex Dieter <rdieter@fedoraproject.org> - 4.4.3-2
 - recognize audio/flac in gstreamer backend (kde#257488)
 
diff --git a/phonon_snapshot.sh b/phonon_snapshot.sh
index 39f07f0..75ace53 100755
--- a/phonon_snapshot.sh
+++ b/phonon_snapshot.sh
@@ -1,17 +1,16 @@
-#/bin/sh
+#!/bin/bash
 
+MODULE=phonon
+VERSION=4.4.4
 DATE=$(date +%Y%m%d)
-EXPORT_DIR=phonon
-VERSION=4.4.3
 
 set -x
-rm -rf $EXPORT_DIR
 
-git clone git://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon.git
-pushd $EXPORT_DIR 
-git archive --prefix=phonon-${VERSION}/ master | bzip2 > ../phonon-${VERSION}-${DATE}.tar.bz2
-popd
+rm -rf $MODULE
 
-# cleanup
-rm -rf $EXPORT_DIR
+git clone git://anongit.kde.org/phonon $MODULE/
+pushd $MODULE
+git archive remotes/origin/4.4 --format tar --prefix=${MODULE}-${VERSION}/ | bzip2 -9 > ../${MODULE}-${VERSION}-${DATE}.tar.bz2
+popd
 
+rm -rf $MODULE 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index e99bc62..bf056f6 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1,8 +1 @@
-8e3924f417fea67f72b2105faed2119c  gstreamer-logo.svg
-60de9d7e1cddd019f09fd036f0e5413a  hi128-phonon-gstreamer.png
-7ca265e0cf75b3b4c81e1490d3dba3be  hi16-phonon-gstreamer.png
-0a9f69d901aded140d4fed969c22e14f  hi22-phonon-gstreamer.png
-12db12c009b722a6dc141f78feb7e330  hi32-phonon-gstreamer.png
-86c34a1b81d44980b1381f94ed6b7a23  hi48-phonon-gstreamer.png
-153505c71ec021b0a3bd4b74f2492e93  hi64-phonon-gstreamer.png
-14e7c9a24da75113a69a12d6a50247a5  phonon-4.4.3.tar.bz2
+25933de62a59bc444929f7a5f176412d  phonon-4.4.4-20110104.tar.bz2